Dynacor is a Canadian based profitable gold company active since 1996 with its mining properties located in Peru.
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Below is our interview with Dale Nejmeldeen – Director, Investor Relations of Dynacor:
Dynacor: This year we will invest much less on Tumipampa due to our priority of opening the new Veta Dorada mill in Chala. At this time, we are working on the surface collecting geochemical data in preparation for a new drill campaign on both the porphyry and disseminated breccia zones. Our 2016 exploration budget will be less than $1 million.
Tumipampa is a massive property with a number of gold mineralized zones. It consists of the disseminated breccia, porphyry associated with skarn and veins. This is a full geological plate of mineralization. In order to establish drill targets, we must carry out more surface work.
Our immediate goal is to mine and process our own ore from Tumipampa. We expect it could take us into 2018 before receiving the extraction permit. Currently we are investigating an alternative plan in order for us to start production much sooner. This could provide enough capital to fund Tumipampa’s ongoing development. If the alternative plan under review turns out to be feasible, we will issue a news release.
Stakeholder: Do you need a NI 43-101 resource calculation before proceeding with the alternative plan?
Stakeholder: What is the status of the NI 43-101 resource calculation?
Dynacor: It is progressing on schedule as the independent research team is on site at this time. It will take the team 45-60 days after they return to prepare and write the report. The report is more than just a resource calculation; it is to include a full technical review covering the three different mineralized zones. The report consists of technical descriptions, images, maps and project recommendations. As well this will be Dynacor’s first ever NI 43-101 resource calculation. We are quite eager to receive the report, as it will render the Tumipampa project as an industry-approved source of recognition. We expect the report will attract more independent geo analysis and reviews. The full on technical report will also assist in the upcoming drill program which if proven successful will add more value. It is likely after summer and into September or October that the NI 43-101 resource calculation and technical report will be released.
Stakeholder: What are the thoughts in taking on a partner for Tumipampa?
Dynacor: We don’t need to invest a large amount of money on drilling to create more value at Tumipampa. The next drill program will involve many shallow holes. Taking on a partner at Tumipampa is still too premature. We believe there is more value to discover on the property before looking at partners. It will be better for us to spend $2-3 million dollars of drilling first, as that’s all it should take. There is more impact in having our drills hit something significant that could drive the stock price to much higher levels.
Stakeholder: It sounds like the 2nd half of this year will be one of hitting some long awaited milestones?
Dynacor: We agree that with the opening of the new mill, which will generate stronger financials together with our first 43-101-resource calculation, Dynacor will be in a positive position to start the second half of 2016.
Dynacor: We expect the inspector from MEM to visit the Veta Dorada site in the beginning of June. In order to be absolutely certain of passing each step during the permit process, we have put in place extra precautionary moves by hiring two engineers. They have been assigned to pre-assess the site and review every facet of the plant before the official visit. It is unlikely there is anything that will prevent us from receiving the compliance license in June (Note: Dynacor Receives Compliance License, see news release dated June 13, 2016). Upon receipt of the license, Dynacor will immediately apply for its water usage permit from the Ministry of Agricultural and Irrigation (MINAGRI). The MINAGRI is well aware of our new Veta Dorada plant as we have been building a relationship over the last month. As per the new fifteen-business day permit rule, we expect to receive the water usage permit in two to four weeks. This should take us to the end of June or early July. Lastly, we need to receive the final operation permit from the MEM and the same rules apply taking about another two to three weeks. We are planning to hold the official ribbon cutting ceremony in September.
Stakeholder: Have the warrants been exercised by the lender?
Dynacor: No they have not.
Stakeholder: Will these shares become available on the market?
Stakeholder: What is the status of a dividend?
Dynacor: We are on record as saying we will pay our first dividend when we are producing at a rate of 600 tpd. However, at this time, we are reviewing a plan in order to enable us to offer the dividend much sooner. The Company expects to generate much more sustainable cash flow from the new mill. In years past, Dynacor was making upwards of US $2.5 million dollars a quarter, but that was based purely on a higher gold price. The new mill will bring superior operational efficiencies and production increases thereby creating a much more sustainable environment for the dividend.
Stakeholder: Please comment on the low amount of shares insiders own?
Dynacor: It is important to understand unlike many other companies, Dynacor Gold Mines Inc. is a spin off of another company. The original board members in the parent company lost many shares due to the previous company’s bankruptcy.
What is most important to us is to have members on the board that can assist the Company. There are many cases in the market where there are board members that hold a lot of shares, but bring very little value to the company. In the industry, it is frowned upon and not good practice to make it a requirement for new members to buy a substantial amount of shares before joining.
Last year we hired an independent firm to review our situation and to advise on what is acceptable in terms of salary and shares etc. They informed us that when comparing to peers, Dynacor is in the top percent of what others are doing.
Stakeholder: What is the the plan for Tumipampa?
Stay tuned for part 5 of 5…
Dynacor: We have been through these pricing situations many times before. We would expect this not to last long given our clear-cut advantages. If the price war occurs, it could possibly stretch out to a couple months.
Our expectations are that by the second quarter of operation at Veta Dorada any pricing and operational transfer matters will be behind us. Therefore production together with margins should noticeably increase in the second quarter of Chala’s operation.
Stakeholder: Is there a long learning curve in operating the new Veta Dorada mill?
Dynacor: No. The new mill is the exact same process as the old mill. In fact while waiting for our final permit, we are taking advantage of the time by working out any start up issues. We have already started the pre commissioning phase and will shortly release a series of videos displaying the process testing. We have had a team of operators over the last month checking everything over. Firstly, the mill runs without any rock. Secondly, this week we will check the operating process with rock and water. Upon receipt of the final operating permit, which we expect this summer, the new mill will have been thoroughly tested many times and fully operational. This will enable us to have a very smooth start up.
Stakeholder: Can we expect to see profit margins increase immediately?
Dynacor: Not quite immediate as the plan is to start initially running ore through at a rate of 200 and 225 tpd while closely monitoring everything before moving beyond to full capacity. Due to this start up process, we should not expect to see the new and higher profit margins until the end of the first quarter of Veta Dorada’s operation.
Stakeholder: What about silver sales and especially the drop in the last quarter?
Dynacor: Due to the addition of our new buyer from Europe, there was a delay in the silver transactions during the first quarter. Much of what was produced during the quarter was sold in April and therefore will be part of the second quarter sales. The lower silver sales in the first quarter also lowered our profit by a bit. Still, the silver we receive is a by-product meaning we do not have any control over the amount of silver production. It is an extra bonus that comes with each delivery. We purchase the ore for its gold content. However, when our production and net profits increase, silver will start to play a larger role in our bottom line.
Stakeholder: What are the next steps?
Stay tuned for part 4 of 5…
Stakeholder: Can you comment on the upcoming political change and how it will impact Dynacor?
Dynacor: It’s an election year in Peru. In the first term it was narrowed down to two contenders running for the presidency. The two contenders are Keiko Fujimori and Pedro Pablo Kuczynski. Update: The final results are to be released this week.
Both contenders have said they plan to restart the small-scale mining formalization process. At this time, there are seven steps to the formalization process. However, this process has been stalled at steps three and four. There are hundreds of thousands of miners (estimates 300-400 thousand) in Peru. When they started the formalization process about 70,000 listed. Only 39,000 of these miners made it past the 2nd & 3rd steps. This tells us there are 100’s of thousands of miners that still need to go through the formalization process. The formalization process has been designed in a way that the remaining miners can no longer enter due to the fact the entry deadline was on April 20 2012.
We are very pleased to hear that there is a strong desire from both Fujimori and Kuczynski to reopen the formalization process to the hundreds of thousand miners that didn’t make the cutoff date. We certainly cannot expect to see 100% of these miners make the grade, but consider if there are 50-60% more. It will make a major difference to our operation as a number of these newly formalized miners will make their way to Dynacor’s new Veta Dorada plant.
Current President Humala’s term ends on July 28th. Whoever is in power at this time anticipates launching a new set of formalization rules shortly thereafter. Then we could see a huge opportunity to increase our capacity to 600 then 1200 tpd in the future. This new surplus of small-scale and newly formalized miners would open up much more supply for us. Over the next two years we could see another meaningful increase in our gold production.
Even so with out this surplus of miners reentering the field, we are quite confident that we will be at 300 tpd by the end of the year. As everything we hear from our guys on the ground and in the market is that this is something we should be able to accomplish.
Stakeholder: Can Dynacor increase its capacity by 20% at both the Huanca and Chala plants without a permit?
Dynacor: Yes. Dynacor owns two milling assets with each 300 tpd permits in place. We may without the need of an additional permit increase the capacity at both mills to 360 tpd giving us a total of 720 tpd.
Stakeholder: Could you provide a scenario whereby the Metallex mill at Huanca could play a role in the future production?
Dynacor: What we will do with Huanca soley depends on how many tons we can buy. The Metallex plant at Huanca is an asset that just may surprise the market in the shorter term. When we expand the Veta Dorada plant at Chala to 450-600 tpd, we will need another expansion permit and of course additional construction. This together with the permit will take another 1.5 years complete.
This is how the Metalex plant at Huanca fits in the shorter term; in the interim, let us say we can buy 450 tpd, we certainly won’t leave it there and just stop at 360 tpd. We will buy it all and immediately set a course to feed the Huanca mill.
Stakeholder: Will a new crew of 200 employees be hired for the Huanca mill?
Dynacor: No as we will do most of the work at the new plant. Purchasing, weighing, assessing grades and crushing ore will first be carried out at Chala. Then we will load ore onto our trucks and deliver it to the Huanca plant. A small crew of approximately 30 employees will be stationed at Huanca to process the crushed ore.
The plan this year calls for us to transfer all the original production from Huanca to Chala and feed it to the maximum capacity. The Huanca plant gives us the flexibility on the upside. We expect to see one or two mills shut down once Chala opens. At the end of the day, if there is only one ore processing company that survives in Peru it will be ours.
Stakeholder: Is there a concern about protesting by the small mills if the big new Veta Dorada plant is the culprit of the others shutting down?
Dynacor: No. The other mill operators do not employ a lot of people, as they are small operations that only run at 20-30% of their capacity. The only other significant ore processor is privately owned Laytaruma. Today, they are the largest operator in the country. However, we will take the number one position over with the opening of Veta Dorada. In other words, the day is quickly coming when Dynacor will be the largest ore processing company in Peru. This, together with our solid reputation and longevity in the business will put us in a very strong position.
We are preparing for a price war as soon as we open up Veta Dorada. We are proven veterans in this game, fought through and prevailed price wars in the past. We know what to expect. As a whole, we do not see any problems because we have a very good reputation and have all the support of our employees and suppliers.
Stakeholder: How long will the price war last?
Stay tuned for part 3 of 5…
May 26, 2016: Notes from call with Dynacor and key stakeholder who first started accumulating shares in 2009. The script from part 1 of the conference call is reprinted below with the permission of the caller.
The agenda for this call was to understand the key issues behind the timing, possible risks and future plans of growth from divisions, the production and exploration.
Stakeholder: It is understood that the Metallex ore processing plant at Huanca, Peru has a permit for 300 tonnes per day (tpd) and yet the Company has not been able to push the production much over 200 tpd. Could you please comment on this?
Dynacor: In 2014, we noticed a drop in Peru’s small-scale gold production. On the Peruvian Ministry of Energy and Mines (MEM) website (http://www.minem.gob.pe) the official numbers confirmed this by reporting a country wide 20% reduction in gold production. We like everyone else were affected by this supply decrease. However, as we will point out our reduction was not nearly as adversely affected and in fact we lead all ore processors on a year over basis.
In 2015, we saw a further 15% reduction in production from the official MEM website numbers.
We have been working through a 35% ore supply cut in the last two years. That’s a big drop. The consequence of this is the grade is higher. It is no different for a small-scale miner to a large-scale miner. When the gold price is high, the miners will mine lower grades, as it is still profitable. However, when the gold price comes down they have no choice and must move onto higher-grade material. This results in an overall production cut due to less amount of ore available.
Prior to 2013, we took in an average grade of 0.80 to 0.90 ounce per tonne (oz/t). From 2014 the average grade significantly increased to 1.0 oz/t. And still, since Oct/Nov 2015 the average grade we are receiving is even higher with an average of 1.20-1.25 oz/t. This is very unusual, but logical because of the gold price. The gold price dropped to US$ 1050 per ounce and therefore an increase in grades was followed with a decrease in volume.
At the old mill in Huanca, we saw the volume peak at the end of 2013 averaging 243 tpd. Today it is under 200 tpd due to the decrease in volume of our own producers.
We are remedying this 35% countrywide production setback by attracting new high-grade producers. On the same website, you can see a list of all the permitted ore processers including their quarterly production numbers. You will note our competition’s production came down much more than ours.
Due to this production setback, we have not been able to crank it up to 250 tpd and then from there to 300 tpd. Having said this, we have been able to somewhat mitigate the situation by bringing in higher-grade ore. As you will note, we have been able to maintain a steady yearly production rate. In the last two years our gold production has been within 1,500 ounces or roughly (2%) even while the country has experienced a (35%) gold production decrease.
Stakeholder: Is it possible to quantify the ore supply situation and how it is that the Company is convinced it can increase supply enough to feed the mill at Chala? Can you provide reassurance of the availability of ore and the quality of ore for the new mill?
Dynacor: Some of our producers sell us all of their ore and yet others sell us part of their production. The producers that do not bring us 100% of their production sell to the other mills because it is much closer to their operation and they will get paid sooner. They heavily rely on this quick payment for their internal cash flow purposes. Now these miners who are selling us part of their ore are telling us that they cannot wait to start selling us all their ore once we open up Chala. They relay to us they are eager to start selling to Dynacor, but they will never travel the distance to Huanca as it is too far from Chala. However, they assure the day we are in Chala they will sell all their ore to us. At this time, we do not have a precise number of how many additional tons, but expect it to be significant as many miners are lining up for our grand opening day. The mining community circle in Peru is tight and every producer is talking about the new Veta Dorada mill opening at Chala. One thing is for sure we are hearing is they will in the very least use our services for a portion of their production.
We are quite confident we are going to be able to substantially increase our production, but we don’t know by how many tons. Our target is to be at 300 tpd by December over that it will be difficult to forecast.
As expected the increase in the gold price to over $US 1200 is sparking interest in the small-scale mining community. Just recently we experienced a new turn of positive events in the market as miners with operations close to the Metallex plant at Huanca are asking us about what we are doing with Huanca as they are looking to restart some old mines due to the increase in the price of gold. This is making things more interesting for the Metallex plant at Huanca. We are starting to see the production increase. There are not many mills operating in this complex business. We know for certain as of today the Canadian public companies that entered the market in the last few years have reduced or stopped buying ore for one reason or another.
As miners are excited of our new Chala operation, we are starting to see some producers lobby in for their position as already in April we signed agreements with two new producer groups. This is a first for us and not common in the ore purchasing business. Due to the formalized process we are starting to see more organized producer groups of these small miners. Approximately 50-60 of these miners has organized themselves into a kind of cooperative. It makes a difference when you’re inside the community and have been serving this network for almost twenty years. We know how it and they work as one of the miners in this group started to sell to us at the beginning of April at rate of 600 ton per month. They produce as much as one of our biggest providers. We are already noticing a difference even at the little old Huanca plant.
Two more new producer group agreements are about to close. However, this group can’t go to Huanca because it is too far away, but they will begin to sell to us as soon as we open the doors at Chala. Everyone is excited about the new Veta Dorada mill at Chala. We cannot say at this time how much more ore we will be taking in, but we can say it is going to be substantial.
The conservative plan calls for less than three months after start up we will be at 300 tpd. We are confident we will be producing more than 300 tpd by the beginning of next year. Currently the old plant at Huanca is in the worst place to operate a mill in all of Peru and now with Chala we will be working in the best location. Huanca is in a remote location and it can take as much as eight hours from the paved highway with a truckload of ore. We can save our producers twenty hours by coming back and forth from their operations near Chala. The Veta Dorada mill at Chala is twenty minutes from downtown and accessible with trailer trucks immediately off the Pan American Highway.
Stakeholder: Are you receiving any other feedback that Dynacor is positioning itself to take a stronghold in the ore-processing marketplace?
Dynacor: Yes we are. We met with another key stakeholder group yesterday and not only did they assure us they are supportive of the Company and are pleased with the direction things are going, but notably they recently spoke to the owner of another mill operator in the Chala sector. They also learned exactly what we are hearing that all the others mills understand that they will soon lose producers to Dynacor. Everyone wants to come to Dynacor’s Veta Dorada plant as over the years we have built a very good and strong reputation within the mining network. We do not and will not stray from our policy of working long term with our producers.
We have thirty employees on the road networking all over the country buying ore. Everyone in the business knows each other and they have lunches/beers together and they talk…it’s a tight community. Our guys are hearing the same thing that the other mill operators don’t know what they are going to do when Dynacor opens Chala because all the ore is going to head there. These are the employees of these other mills not investors or shareholders so they speak quite openly of how they feel.
Stakeholder: Can you comment on the upcoming political change and how it may impact Dynacor’s business? Follow us and stay tuned for part 2 of 5…
It is widely known through exploration circles that there is an ongoing debate on whether it is best to explore underground via channel sampling or drill test from the surface. The initial cost differential is arguable when exploring underground. However, when looking at the bigger picture of future mine development, underground works can save the company time and money as it will be utilized for the foundation of the actual mine.
Drill testing is the best method used to determine vein location and structure. When it comes to assessing grade, particularly in common erratic type structures, this is often where it falls short to larger size channel samples. In confirming grades, samples that are twenty five kg/m and above are best in these cases. A surface drill core is only eight kg/m, while underground drill core are smaller nevertheless at three kg/m. Therefore in a nuggety and erratic type vein structure, channel sampling is the best grade control technique for underground vein systems.